Comments on: Episode 25: PDC 2008 Podcaster Roundtable with Deep Fried Bytes and StackOverflow (part 2) http://herdingcode.com/?p=85 The Herding Code Podcast Mon, 06 Sep 2010 09:46:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: admin http://herdingcode.com/?p=85&cpage=1#comment-474 admin Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:13:29 +0000 http://herdingcode.com/?p=85#comment-474 Mr. Anonymous - You're missing the point. We're not complaining that it's difficult for us to get software. We're saying that Microsoft makes it too difficult for "civilians" - non-developers - to play with their software developer tools. All of us got started with computers that shipped BASIC at the commandline. Turning on the computer and typing "10 PRINT "Hello World" was a pretty welcoming environment for us as budding young nerds who wanted to play with computers. Fast-forward 25 years and things have regrettably gotten more difficult. If little Jimmy down the street wants to play with computers, he needs to (1) somehow know there's a Visual Studio Express product (2) figure out where to get it (3) download it over his slow internet connection (4) install it (5) if he's made it this far, play. That amount of friction is just plain silly. And please don't mention csc.exe. Maybe a REPL style C# console might work, but csc.exe is not at all what I'm talking about. Mr. Anonymous – You’re missing the point. We’re not complaining that it’s difficult for us to get software.
We’re saying that Microsoft makes it too difficult for “civilians” – non-developers – to play with their software developer tools.

All of us got started with computers that shipped BASIC at the commandline. Turning on the computer and typing “10 PRINT “Hello World” was a pretty welcoming environment for us as budding young nerds who wanted to play with computers.

Fast-forward 25 years and things have regrettably gotten more difficult. If little Jimmy down the street wants to play with computers, he needs to (1) somehow know there’s a Visual Studio Express product (2) figure out where to get it (3) download it over his slow internet connection (4) install it (5) if he’s made it this far, play. That amount of friction is just plain silly.

And please don’t mention csc.exe. Maybe a REPL style C# console might work, but csc.exe is not at all what I’m talking about.

]]> By: Mr anonymous http://herdingcode.com/?p=85&cpage=1#comment-473 Mr anonymous Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:20:53 +0000 http://herdingcode.com/?p=85#comment-473 Wow, you guys are too spoilt! You can get all those Microsoft products for free, and you complain you have to download each one individually. Perhaps Microsoft should be packaging hem on a DVD and sending them postage free to you Wow, you guys are too spoilt! You can get all those Microsoft products for free, and you complain you have to download each one individually. Perhaps Microsoft should be packaging hem on a DVD and sending them postage free to you

]]> By: Episode 18: PDC 2008 Podcaster Roundtable with StackOverflow and Herding Code : Deep Fried Bytes Technology Podcast http://herdingcode.com/?p=85 The Herding Code Podcast Mon, 06 Sep 2010 09:46:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc Comments on: Episode 25: PDC 2008 Podcaster Roundtable with Deep Fried Bytes and StackOverflow (part 2) http://herdingcode.com/?p=85 The Herding Code Podcast Mon, 06 Sep 2010 09:46:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: admin http://herdingcode.com/?p=85&cpage=1#comment-474 admin Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:13:29 +0000 http://herdingcode.com/?p=85#comment-474 Mr. Anonymous - You're missing the point. We're not complaining that it's difficult for us to get software. We're saying that Microsoft makes it too difficult for "civilians" - non-developers - to play with their software developer tools. All of us got started with computers that shipped BASIC at the commandline. Turning on the computer and typing "10 PRINT "Hello World" was a pretty welcoming environment for us as budding young nerds who wanted to play with computers. Fast-forward 25 years and things have regrettably gotten more difficult. If little Jimmy down the street wants to play with computers, he needs to (1) somehow know there's a Visual Studio Express product (2) figure out where to get it (3) download it over his slow internet connection (4) install it (5) if he's made it this far, play. That amount of friction is just plain silly. And please don't mention csc.exe. Maybe a REPL style C# console might work, but csc.exe is not at all what I'm talking about. Mr. Anonymous – You’re missing the point. We’re not complaining that it’s difficult for us to get software.
We’re saying that Microsoft makes it too difficult for “civilians” – non-developers – to play with their software developer tools.

All of us got started with computers that shipped BASIC at the commandline. Turning on the computer and typing “10 PRINT “Hello World” was a pretty welcoming environment for us as budding young nerds who wanted to play with computers.

Fast-forward 25 years and things have regrettably gotten more difficult. If little Jimmy down the street wants to play with computers, he needs to (1) somehow know there’s a Visual Studio Express product (2) figure out where to get it (3) download it over his slow internet connection (4) install it (5) if he’s made it this far, play. That amount of friction is just plain silly.

And please don’t mention csc.exe. Maybe a REPL style C# console might work, but csc.exe is not at all what I’m talking about.

]]> By: Mr anonymous http://herdingcode.com/?p=85&cpage=1#comment-473 Mr anonymous Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:20:53 +0000 http://herdingcode.com/?p=85#comment-473 Wow, you guys are too spoilt! You can get all those Microsoft products for free, and you complain you have to download each one individually. Perhaps Microsoft should be packaging hem on a DVD and sending them postage free to you Wow, you guys are too spoilt! You can get all those Microsoft products for free, and you complain you have to download each one individually. Perhaps Microsoft should be packaging hem on a DVD and sending them postage free to you

]]> By: Episode 18: PDC 2008 Podcaster Roundtable with StackOverflow and Herding Code : Deep Fried Bytes Technology Podcast http://herdingcode.com/?p=85&cpage=1#comment-474 admin Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:13:29 +0000 http://herdingcode.com/?p=85#comment-474 Mr. Anonymous - You're missing the point. We're not complaining that it's difficult for us to get software. We're saying that Microsoft makes it too difficult for "civilians" - non-developers - to play with their software developer tools. All of us got started with computers that shipped BASIC at the commandline. Turning on the computer and typing "10 PRINT "Hello World" was a pretty welcoming environment for us as budding young nerds who wanted to play with computers. Fast-forward 25 years and things have regrettably gotten more difficult. If little Jimmy down the street wants to play with computers, he needs to (1) somehow know there's a Visual Studio Express product (2) figure out where to get it (3) download it over his slow internet connection (4) install it (5) if he's made it this far, play. That amount of friction is just plain silly. And please don't mention csc.exe. Maybe a REPL style C# console might work, but csc.exe is not at all what I'm talking about. Mr. Anonymous – You’re missing the point. We’re not complaining that it’s difficult for us to get software.
We’re saying that Microsoft makes it too difficult for “civilians” – non-developers – to play with their software developer tools.

All of us got started with computers that shipped BASIC at the commandline. Turning on the computer and typing “10 PRINT “Hello World” was a pretty welcoming environment for us as budding young nerds who wanted to play with computers.

Fast-forward 25 years and things have regrettably gotten more difficult. If little Jimmy down the street wants to play with computers, he needs to (1) somehow know there’s a Visual Studio Express product (2) figure out where to get it (3) download it over his slow internet connection (4) install it (5) if he’s made it this far, play. That amount of friction is just plain silly.

And please don’t mention csc.exe. Maybe a REPL style C# console might work, but csc.exe is not at all what I’m talking about.

]]> Comments on: Episode 25: PDC 2008 Podcaster Roundtable with Deep Fried Bytes and StackOverflow (part 2) http://herdingcode.com/?p=85 The Herding Code Podcast Mon, 06 Sep 2010 09:46:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: admin http://herdingcode.com/?p=85&cpage=1#comment-474 admin Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:13:29 +0000 http://herdingcode.com/?p=85#comment-474 Mr. Anonymous - You're missing the point. We're not complaining that it's difficult for us to get software. We're saying that Microsoft makes it too difficult for "civilians" - non-developers - to play with their software developer tools. All of us got started with computers that shipped BASIC at the commandline. Turning on the computer and typing "10 PRINT "Hello World" was a pretty welcoming environment for us as budding young nerds who wanted to play with computers. Fast-forward 25 years and things have regrettably gotten more difficult. If little Jimmy down the street wants to play with computers, he needs to (1) somehow know there's a Visual Studio Express product (2) figure out where to get it (3) download it over his slow internet connection (4) install it (5) if he's made it this far, play. That amount of friction is just plain silly. And please don't mention csc.exe. Maybe a REPL style C# console might work, but csc.exe is not at all what I'm talking about. Mr. Anonymous – You’re missing the point. We’re not complaining that it’s difficult for us to get software.
We’re saying that Microsoft makes it too difficult for “civilians” – non-developers – to play with their software developer tools.

All of us got started with computers that shipped BASIC at the commandline. Turning on the computer and typing “10 PRINT “Hello World” was a pretty welcoming environment for us as budding young nerds who wanted to play with computers.

Fast-forward 25 years and things have regrettably gotten more difficult. If little Jimmy down the street wants to play with computers, he needs to (1) somehow know there’s a Visual Studio Express product (2) figure out where to get it (3) download it over his slow internet connection (4) install it (5) if he’s made it this far, play. That amount of friction is just plain silly.

And please don’t mention csc.exe. Maybe a REPL style C# console might work, but csc.exe is not at all what I’m talking about.

]]> By: Mr anonymous http://herdingcode.com/?p=85&cpage=1#comment-473 Mr anonymous Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:20:53 +0000 http://herdingcode.com/?p=85#comment-473 Wow, you guys are too spoilt! You can get all those Microsoft products for free, and you complain you have to download each one individually. Perhaps Microsoft should be packaging hem on a DVD and sending them postage free to you Wow, you guys are too spoilt! You can get all those Microsoft products for free, and you complain you have to download each one individually. Perhaps Microsoft should be packaging hem on a DVD and sending them postage free to you

]]> By: Episode 18: PDC 2008 Podcaster Roundtable with StackOverflow and Herding Code : Deep Fried Bytes Technology Podcast http://herdingcode.com/?p=85&cpage=1#comment-473 Mr anonymous Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:20:53 +0000 http://herdingcode.com/?p=85#comment-473 Wow, you guys are too spoilt! You can get all those Microsoft products for free, and you complain you have to download each one individually. Perhaps Microsoft should be packaging hem on a DVD and sending them postage free to you Wow, you guys are too spoilt! You can get all those Microsoft products for free, and you complain you have to download each one individually. Perhaps Microsoft should be packaging hem on a DVD and sending them postage free to you

]]> Comments on: Episode 25: PDC 2008 Podcaster Roundtable with Deep Fried Bytes and StackOverflow (part 2) http://herdingcode.com/?p=85 The Herding Code Podcast Mon, 06 Sep 2010 09:46:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: admin http://herdingcode.com/?p=85&cpage=1#comment-474 admin Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:13:29 +0000 http://herdingcode.com/?p=85#comment-474 Mr. Anonymous - You're missing the point. We're not complaining that it's difficult for us to get software. We're saying that Microsoft makes it too difficult for "civilians" - non-developers - to play with their software developer tools. All of us got started with computers that shipped BASIC at the commandline. Turning on the computer and typing "10 PRINT "Hello World" was a pretty welcoming environment for us as budding young nerds who wanted to play with computers. Fast-forward 25 years and things have regrettably gotten more difficult. If little Jimmy down the street wants to play with computers, he needs to (1) somehow know there's a Visual Studio Express product (2) figure out where to get it (3) download it over his slow internet connection (4) install it (5) if he's made it this far, play. That amount of friction is just plain silly. And please don't mention csc.exe. Maybe a REPL style C# console might work, but csc.exe is not at all what I'm talking about. Mr. Anonymous – You’re missing the point. We’re not complaining that it’s difficult for us to get software.
We’re saying that Microsoft makes it too difficult for “civilians” – non-developers – to play with their software developer tools.

All of us got started with computers that shipped BASIC at the commandline. Turning on the computer and typing “10 PRINT “Hello World” was a pretty welcoming environment for us as budding young nerds who wanted to play with computers.

Fast-forward 25 years and things have regrettably gotten more difficult. If little Jimmy down the street wants to play with computers, he needs to (1) somehow know there’s a Visual Studio Express product (2) figure out where to get it (3) download it over his slow internet connection (4) install it (5) if he’s made it this far, play. That amount of friction is just plain silly.

And please don’t mention csc.exe. Maybe a REPL style C# console might work, but csc.exe is not at all what I’m talking about.

]]> By: Mr anonymous http://herdingcode.com/?p=85&cpage=1#comment-473 Mr anonymous Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:20:53 +0000 http://herdingcode.com/?p=85#comment-473 Wow, you guys are too spoilt! You can get all those Microsoft products for free, and you complain you have to download each one individually. Perhaps Microsoft should be packaging hem on a DVD and sending them postage free to you Wow, you guys are too spoilt! You can get all those Microsoft products for free, and you complain you have to download each one individually. Perhaps Microsoft should be packaging hem on a DVD and sending them postage free to you

]]> By: Episode 18: PDC 2008 Podcaster Roundtable with StackOverflow and Herding Code : Deep Fried Bytes Technology Podcast http://herdingcode.com/?p=85&cpage=1#comment-464 Episode 18: PDC 2008 Podcaster Roundtable with StackOverflow and Herding Code : Deep Fried Bytes Technology Podcast Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:49:02 +0000 http://herdingcode.com/?p=85#comment-464 [...] 2008. The discussion was very lively and after you listen to this first part head over to the Herding Code podcast to listen to the conclusion of the discussion from [...] [...] 2008. The discussion was very lively and after you listen to this first part head over to the Herding Code podcast to listen to the conclusion of the discussion from [...]

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