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   September 9th, 2009 at 6:47 am

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3. James G.

   September 10th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

   

   Hi There
   Please change the colors and font size for the site. It is hard to read!

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5. Joe

   September 17th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

   

   You need to change the name of this podcast to the “Whiner Podcast”. I have never heard developers complain as much as you all! On recent podcasts you have said stuff like: “Developing has become too hard”, “There’s too much stuff to learn”, “Silverlight will never go anywhere”.

   This latest cast was the worst, there was about 10 minutes of actual on topic conversation then you guys start complaining. I don’t think I can listen anymore.

6. Mark Stafford

   September 28th, 2009 at 5:14 pm

   

   I think I have to agree with Joe – I have listened to the full backlog of Herding Code now, and I keep telling myself, “It’s going to get better… it’s going to get better…” It hasn’t gotten better. If anything, it’s gotten worse. If you don’t like a technology, comment on it once, twice, even three times. I’m so tired of hearing how much 1) Silverlight sucks, 2) IE6 sucks, and 3) ASP.NET Webforms suck. Stop using it. Stop being a .NET developer if Microsoft’s really as backwards as you make them out to be. Show us something better and explain -why- it’s better. Whatever you do, just please stop with the negativity. I can’t believe that Javascript is the answer to everything.

   I also have to agree that this particular episode was the worst for complaining yet. Why have a guest on that talks for a few minutes about the semantic Web and then joins you on a diatribe against Silverlight and the MVP community? Milan, you challenged MVPs whether “it was worth it”, the clear allusion being that they are trading their souls for an MSDN subscription. I’d challenge each of you, is it worth it to complain so vocally, seemingly incessantly?

   I will take a bit of my own medicine and give it a few more episodes – mostly because this podcast does have some respectable names attached to it, but if the point of this podcast is to discuss why Silverlight will clearly fail and that LOB apps are worthless on the Web etc etc etc, I’m going to join Joe in the ex-listeners group.

   Thanks for listening, I hope you turn it around.

7. Andrew Tobin

   September 29th, 2009 at 5:14 pm

   

   I’ve left a couple of comments to you guys on twitter, but I thought I’d come and have a look at what complaints were appearing and I think I’d have to agree and disagree.

   I’ll admit, I’m kind of new to going and listening to podcasts again, I used to – but stopped for a while. When I was getting back into it I asked my boss which ones I should be listening to and he recommended Herding Code above all others, and straight away.

   Having an interest in Silverlight I did download the shows that reference them, and I’ve found something different – not so much a Silverlight sucks mentality, as just the guys asking about the downsides – but if no one asked these questions that everyone thinks about, and that info around the community circulates – then how do we get answers?

   I don’t mind hearing about how IE6 sucks, and how Webforms suck – mostly because the guests on the shows that I hear this on are talking about related technologies, and sure – we might hear about it a few times, but the guests are different, the topics come up again, and that’s something you just have to live with.

   And it’s not “You must enjoy every Microsoft Technology out there, or stop using Microsoft altogether” – these are technologies that are years old, they might still be in use today – but what is a podcast like this about if not to talk about why some technology choices are better than others, and what opportunities you get from better choices?

   This is exactly the sort of thing I would search for – good opinion from guys who use the toolsets, to help show me which path I should head down to shortcut my learning, so I don’t have to make the same mistakes.

   The information about the MVP status was interesting to me, because I have never been interested in being a MVP or putting that time in, I had no idea if it was or wasn’t worth it on that basis – it kind of tells me that the guys who are MVPs do it for more than the kickbacks, and provides an insight into a group that I don’t think a lot of us have.

   The one thing I was interested in about a recent Silverlight talk was the discussion on it’s use in pages – whether to use it for part of a page (like advertising would, etc), or full-screen browser type apps, etc.

   The full-screen seemed to get a bad rap, but I would have thought if I wanted to move my LOB app across to a web platform, and restrict what is going on – a full browser window silverlight app would be an interesting/good way to do it – given I don’t have much of a web background but know WPF.

   So I would have been interested in the pitfalls/decisions around that – but the discussion stopped before delving any deeper.

   All in all, I don’t mind the guys asking the more negative questions or exploring the negative side – because I assume the guest is the expert – and I’d like to hear them championing the technology, and addressing those concerns too.

   I’m finding it entertaining and informative, and generally it’s making me interested in investigating technologies that would only be on the periphery to what I would have looked at before – so I’m going to keep listening for sure.

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9. Simone Chiaretta

   January 9th, 2010 at 9:19 am

   

   The first part was interesting, but then it went down to the path of complaining and bashing and being negative.
   It’s ok to complain: MS doesn’t do everything good, and I agree with most of the points you discuss (except for one thing I’ll discuss later). But 40 minutes spent complaining vs 20 minutes spent talking about the real topic of the episode is a bit to much IMHO. Or at least change the title to “web standards and how MS community sucks”.

   The thing I don’t agree is the fact that going “solo” is the same thing as working full-time for a big company: yeah, probably in the US being an independent consultant is pretty much the same as working full-time (which is not true in Italy where a consultant has to open is own company and spend lot of money in accounting/VAT/taxes that a full-time permanent employee doesn’t). But something that an independent consultant has to do it looking for a job/project every day, while a full-time doesn’t. My wife tried to go solo in Italy, but she spent more time in doing proposals for clients, contracting on the cost, and chasing clients that didn’t pay than really doing her job.

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