In this episode, the guys talk with Remco Mulder (author of NCrunch) and Jeff Schumacher (author of Giles) about continuous testing in .NET.
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Herding Code 135: Remco Mulder and Jeff Schumacher on Continuous Testing [audio:http://herdingcode.com/wp-content/uploads/HerdingCode-0135-Continuous-Testing.mp3]
- Scott K kicks things off with a horrible old school BASIC joke.
- Remco explains how NCrunch got started because he was living under a rock.
- Jeff explains how Giles got started by finding AutoTest and seeing it not maintained (in reality it was).
- Remco talks about the number of test frameworks.
- Jon asks Remco about adding MSTest support – Remco groans about how difficult MSTest was to integrate with NCrunch.
- Jeff mentions that xUnit’s test runner is complete for backward compatibility.
- Jeff talks about Machine Specs and avoiding versioning hell with Impromptu Interface.
- Jon asks about each library’s approach to Continuous Testing and to explain it to a laymen.
- Rem explains what Continuous Testing is in relation to NCrunch.
- Scott comments on a "strange situation" of testing compiled code creates slow tests and asks about any shortcuts Rem or Jeff have taken.
- Jon comments how NCruch & Giles gives immediate feedback as he’s coding.
- Jeff mentions that Giles has the ability to filter tests so that you only see what you want to see.
- Remco explains how NCrunch attempts to determine impact to order how tests are run so the most pertinent tests run first.
- Jon gives his quick history of the testing feedback cycle: separate project phase, then repository check-in step with continuous integration, local test runers, and now tests running as we write the code. Are we done? Where can we go from here?
- Jeff comments about how Continuous Testing is like the red squiggly for code problems.
- Scott asks about alternative language support for NCrunch and Giles.
- Remco mentions that Salesforce.com has a Selenium "cluster" to continuously run UI tests.
- Remco talks about Visual Studio integration for NCrunch.
- Jeff talks about a branch that supports Mono.
- Jon talks about Roslyn, and Scott K reminds us that Mono was doing compiler as a service long ago – 2008?
- Remco jokes about clippy.
- Jeff talks about Continuous testing and Pair Programming.
- Jeff wanted to get to the point where he didn’t think about the tooling but only the tests and the code.
- Jeff talks about Visual Studio magazine and an article about Continuous Testing.
- Jon comments how easy NCrunch is able to setup and get going.
- Remco wants to make Continuous testing really really easy to get people to start using it.
- Jeff recommends looking at all the different continuous testing options, mentioning Greg Young’s Mighty Moose.
- Jeff Schumacher – blog, twitter
- Remco Mulder – blog, twitter
- Mighty Moose from Greg Young
- Continuous Testing: Think Different [Visual Studio Magazine online]
- Project Roslyn
Show notes by Ben Dornis. Thanks!