This week on Herding Code, the full cast talks to Shawn Wildermuth about Silverlight 3 and RIA Services:
- Shawn talks about shared code, validation rules logic and general line of business application development with RIA Service and the guys become skeptically about RIA Service's good and bad magic.
- Kevin's draggy-droppy spidey senses kick in and asks if RIA Services merely demos well. Shawn speaks candidly about nobody knowing if RIA Services will work well in the wild (will it scale, for example) and encourages everyone to download and play with the bit and provide feedback.
- Scott K asks why he should even care about RIA Services, comments on how this is another example of building plumbing code frameworks in a vacuum, scoffs at Microsoft products like Silverlight, OSLO and Windows Workflow Foundation and goes so far to ask if is it too early for a RIA Service Vote of No Confidence. In response, Shawn has some fun with Scott K and defends RIA Services along with some of the Microsoft development teams. Shawn also shares his enthusiasm about OLSO.
- Kevin questions Microsoft's choice in terminology. Does RIA Services really speak to what the framework does?
- K Scott and Shawn briefly discuss the RIA Service's TDD story and touch upon SilverUnit.
- Jon and Shawn discuss their favorite new Silverlight features which include direct writing of pixels and audio, Silverlight out of browser, and behaviors.
- The guys do a quick wrap up of Mix09 announcements and talk about Sketchflow's designer focus and cynically talk about its unavailability.
- To the delight of those on the call, Jon talks about Expression Web SuperrrPreeevieewww!
- And there's a special guest question from Rachel Appel and a Twitter question from Scott Watermasysk.
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9 Comments Episode 40: Shawn Wildermuth on Silverlight 3 and RIA Services
Shawn Wildermuth - Listen to Me on Herding Code!
April 1st, 2009 at 8:47 am
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Apolon
April 2nd, 2009 at 12:14 am
++cynicism;
–vision;
Yep, Microsoft definitely deserves some cynicism but the areas that RIA Services and Oslo relate to are important and useful.
Also if Sketchflow can be as easy/quick to use as Balsamiq in mocking up UI then it would be a great addition to Blend.
delmo
April 3rd, 2009 at 12:48 pm
I love to hear someone doing actual criticism on MS.
Great show, great guest, great discussion.
thanks.
@delmo
Brad Abrams : Link Round up on .NET RIA Services (March 3rd)
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:13 pm
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Shawn
April 9th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
What about integrating Entlib’s Validation Application Block? It supports both attributes and XML config or even imperative use.
It’s a shame to think I have to give up EntLib and use yet something else for validation with .NET RIA
Mike
April 11th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
We have a small team. We want Microsoft to write the plumbing code, so we can think about the content.
I think it is wrong to automatically assume that Microsoft can’t learn from there mistakes. Let he without any 404 errors on his page cast the first stone.
Top-silverlight » Blog Archive » Link Round up on .NET RIA Services (March 3rd)
June 1st, 2009 at 8:34 pm
[...] Episode 40: Shawn Wildermuth on Silverlight 3 and RIA Services Shawn makes some good points about .NET RIA Services in this podcast… the best one is that we’d love your feedback. Please get in early and tell us what you think! [...]
Jim Anderson
June 4th, 2009 at 8:27 am
The level of cynicism and pessimism regarding Microsoft’s entry into these areas is not justified.
Yes, Microsoft has created many technologies that had limited value beyond marketing, but RIA & Oslo do not fall into this category.
Microsoft joined the RIA arena because that is the direction user interfaces are heading and they are behind the competition (mostly Adobe) and of course want their share (as much of possible) of the market share.
I see many benefits of RIA for both consumer and even enterprise applications (making UIs more efficient for users).
The level of cynicism displayed in this area indicates a lack of knowledge of current industry trends on the part of the speakers. Fortunately, Microsoft keeps a keen eye of what is going on in the development world (although slow to enter their own offerings), even if podcasters don’t. Of course, the podcast would be more valuable if the speakers were more aware of what was going on in the industry.
Link Round up on .NET RIA Services (March 3rd) | rapid-DEV.net
June 17th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
[...] Episode 40: Shawn Wildermuth on Silverlight 3 and RIA Services Shawn makes some good points about .NET RIA Services in this podcast… the best one is that we’d love your feedback. Please get in early and tell us what you think! [...]
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